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Džon Lenon - 8. decembar 1980.

Džon Lenon, član benda Bitlsi, ubijen je u noći pre 26 godina na ulazu u svoju zgradu na Gornjoj zapadnoj strani Menhetna. Osumnjičeni Mark Dejvid Čapman, 25-ogodišnjak rodom sa Havaja, uhvaćen je na licu mesta.

Četrdesetogodišnjem gospodinu Lenonu pucano je dvaput u leđa, u momentu kada je izašao iz limuzine i zakoračio prema ulazu u svoju stambenu zgradu. "Očigledno da ga je napadač čekao", rekao je narednik Robert Barns iz 20. policijske postaje.

Džef Smit, komšija, rekao je da je čuo pet pucnjeva oko 11 uveče, dok su ostale komšije rekle da su čule četiri, i to u petnaest do jedanaest.

Sa ubijenim pevačem u trenucima atentata bila je njegova supruga Joko Ono, koja nije povređena dok su meci fijukali k njenom suprugu.

Očevici kažu da je osumnjičeni jurio napred i natrag u ulazu zgrade gospodina Lenona nakon ispaljivanja smrtonosnih hitaca, raspravljajući se sa vratarom i držeći pištolj uperen u zemlju. Takođe kažu da je gospođa Ono vikala da joj pomognu dok je gospodin Lenon padao i lagano gubio dah. Smrt gospodina Lenona utvrđena je momentalno, po njegovom prispeću u Ruzveltovu gradsku bolnicu. Nedugo zatim, stotine ljudi spontano su se počele okupljati na potezu između kuće gospodina Lenona, na Zapadnoj 72. ulici, i zapadnog Centralnog parka. Sličan broj ljudi se počeo okupljati i ispred Ruzveltove bolnice.

Prema izveštaju očevidaca, osumnjičeni je propustio gospodina Lenona nekoliko koračaja, da bi mu zatim, iz borbene poze, sasuo nekoliko fatalnih hitaca u leđa.


Woman

:(

Od tada nishta vishe nije isto


srdjane jesi li ti procitao

sta sam ti ostavila na breaking news?

Moram i ja da pocnem da pusim te cigarilose kao joko!


Interesantno da je FBI

imao podebeli dosije o Lenonu koji је skorije "pusten" iz bunkera i moze da se vidi ovde. Takodje, za one koje interesuje, postoji i tzv. "izgubljeni intervju" sa Lenonom i moze da se procita ovde.


Odavno se priča

Odavno se priča da su ga ubili žbiri iz neke vladine agencije. Bio je mnogo opasan za njih, angažovan. Mogao je da pokrene mase. Činjenica je da su mu jedva dali boravak.


Zavjere svuda oko nas

Naravno, zavjere svuda oko nas. Ako ne protiv Srba, onda protiv Lenona.

Zar je moguce?


Moguce

to je opshte poznatao. Gore je nasarski dao link za Lenonov FBI fajl. Dosta se o tome pisalo


može i ovako

da se sfati

non-dialup connection


neponovljiva

neponovljiva autenticnost.

http://www.yoko-ono.com/

sajt koji cesto posecujem i veoma volim

SF hvala na podsecanju:)


Djenka Djavo

'The time you have enjoyed wasting is not wasted' - J.L.

Jedna dusa koju nikada videti necu. A voleo bih.

'Working class hero'!


Strawberry fields forever i

Strawberry fields forever - i posle njega više ništa nije isto!
Ostale su najlepše i najangažovanije pesme na svetu!
U Novom Sadu još uvek postoji njegova ulica i pored pobune nekih penzionera! Bilo bi dobro da u svakom gradu u Srbiji postoji njegova ulica!


All you need is love

Pitam se zasto mnogi kazu da posle Lenona nista vise nije isto.
To je neki moto kojemu smo mi ljudi skloni. Nekad mi se cini da zvuci kao neiskreno obozavanje i povlacenje. Da li zaista necija smrt prekida tokove ili je to samo inercija koja zivi u nama hranjena strahom od mogucnosti izbora , strahom od sopstvenog kraja....


Nije isto

zato shto nije isto - ubili su rokera koji je svojom muzikom i stavom mogao da pokrene ljude na neshto - bilo na razmishljanje bilo na akciju. Bio je jedan od retkih iskrenih kome je STVARNO bilo stalo. Danas to vishe ne postoji. Sve je biznis i lichna promocija.


suvishe je znao...

Lenon je bio svedokom razlicitih vladinih manipulacija svim javnim licnostima koje su uspele da imaju uticaj na (biracku) masu.
Zvezde,sportisti,pevacice,javne licnosti....svi su oni u opciji da budu "privilegovani" od strane vladinih sluzbi...

Yoko Ono has called for the anniversary of John Lennon's death to become a worldwide day of forgiveness but said she could not yet absolve her husband's killer.

"Every year, let's make December 8 the day to ask for forgiveness from those who suffered the insufferable," she said in full-page newspaper advertisements.

"To the people who have also lost loved ones without cause: forgive us for having been unable to stop the tragedy.

"To the soldiers of all countries and of all centuries, who were maimed for life or who lost their lives: forgive us for our misjudgements and what happened as a result of them."

She thanked all those who wrote to her at this time every year to say they were thinking of her and her husband.

She said Lennon was "shot and killed at the prime of his life, at age 40, when he had so much life ahead of him."

"As the widow of one who was killed by an act of violence, I don't know if I am ready yet to forgive the one who pulled the trigger.

"I am sure all victims of violent crimes feel as I do. But healing is what is urgently needed now in the world."


Opraštanje?

To je problem. Da li oprostiti takvim individuama, ili dopustiti kontrolisani gnev? Ako im oprostimo, to će biti shvaćeno kao naša slabost, i sa sledećom osobom kapaciteta Džona Lenona zločin će biti ponovljen.

Slabost Dobra: naravstvena* nemoć da upotrebljava oružja dopustiva jedino suštinskom zlu.

Ko onda donosi Pravdu?

* narav kao priroda


Ulica NH Blagoja Parovića

Strawberry fields,
ova ulica na Limanu II, koja je u jednom trenutku ponela dostojanstveni naziv Ulice Džona Lenona, vratila se pod svoj prvobitni naziv. Penzioneri, uglavnom zaposleni nekadašnje JNA, nisu mogli podneti da žive u ulici tako dekadentnog imena.


:)

Nisam znala, izgleda da je penzosima bilo tesko da slamaju jezik stranim nazivima. Mozda je trebalo neshto univerzlanije, lakshe penzosima za pamtiti, recimo "Obladi oblada".


Ulica

Ta ulica će uvek za mene biti ulica Johna Lennona !Pozdrav iz Novog Sada !


:)

Bravo za Jerry-a


Џери брате!

Вобра тебра! :)


bez naslova

veciti i neponovljivi (samo u muzici).

Sticajem okolnosti slusam ga svakodnevno, jer ga (ih) i moja cerka od petnaest godina obozava, pa cim dodje iz skole, upali kompjuter i ......uziva!

EVERGREEN, zar ne?!


...

Srx,
Neka je vechna slava i hvala Lenonu.

P.S.
Tebi, kao uvrnutom eklekticharu, mogu da kazem kad vec nema Lenona, sinoc se u Beogradu mogao chuti Buldozer i Boris La Belle. (Shteta shto medju VIP blogerima nema afiniteta za jednu ovakvu temu)


ja bas danas

po prvi put, slucajno prosla pored te zgrade.


Xej Brook

prodji jos jednom namerno za sve nas i zastani malo na onom trgicu :)


ajde vazi

:)


Džon Lenon je

u stvari ubijen 8. decembra, a na taj dan je rođen i Džim Morison. Zaista značajan dan za modernu muziku.


eh...

Joko je unistila Bitlse :( isto kao i Nensi Pistolse :((


misogin stav

misogin stav. ako se to uopste moze nazvati stavom.
Sta bi se drugo moglo ocekivati od nekakvih grobara....


misogin?

vrlo dubokoumno. sad si verovatno ponosna/ponosan na sebe? inace, kaze se mizogen, ne misogin...


a courtney nirvanu?

mislim da su to predarasude:
- ne znamo ništa od svega toga. možemo da pretpostavljamo da se Džon, nakon Joko, promenio u arté-smislu, ali ne bih baš tvrdio da ga je Joko previše izmenila u muzičkom smislu. možda utoliko da je Džonova ljubav, pre Joko, pripadala svima nama, a nakon Joko je postala više jokocentrična, da tako kažem. ali, to je super za njega, super da je našao osobu koju je mogao tako apsolutno da voli! e sad, za japanke može da se kaže da su generalno teške i prohtevne kada o ženidbi ide reč. opet, Džon kao osoba tako iznimne i prostrane duševnosti je sigurno bio kadar da ispuni zadovoljstvom jednu japansku nevestu. but, don't try that at home, ili, kao što naš narod kaže - jednom se mladoženja za japanku rađa! ;)


Happy Christmas (War Is Over)

Postoji jedna tužna anegdota da je nekadašnji RTB javio za smrt samo jednog stranog muzičara - Jonh Lennon-a. Valjda i to govori o njegovoj veličini. Čak mu je i New York bio mali. Neponovljiva harizma.


Zar nije 8.12.?

Zar nije ubijen 8.decembra? To tako pamtim jer je taj dan rodjendan, takodjer na nebeske pasnjake otisloga, Jima Morisona.


9.12.

u americi 8.12.
al' 23h u njujorku je 5 ujutro u beogradu, a 6 ujutro u jerusalimu, atini i sofiji. 4 ujutro na griniču i u lisabonu. ako uzmemo u obzir da njujork gravitira prema beogradu, evropi i jerusalimu, znači da se nemila scena odigrala 9-12-1980, po evropsko-bliskoistočnom računanju vremena.


eto ti sad

Znaci ubise ga u Beogradu u 5 ujutro 9. decembra Srdjan je odlucio da mu pomeri datum. Mala ekstenzijica cisto figurativno ne i vremenski.
Pa dobro on je covek bio Englez a oni su samo sat vremena ispred nas i sad nije uredu da ga tamo neki Ameri prisvajaju samo zato sto je ubijen u Njujorku. Ima na netu i fotografija njega kako potpisuje nesrecan plocu svom ubici nekoliko casova pre smrti. Kakav uzas. Ne znam sta se desilo sa tim Chapmanom jel ziv jos i da li je na slobodi. Kapiram ako je ziv da ce mu se posao isplatiti kao valjne plocu na aukciji kod kristijza.
Kakav trip. kupac bi verovatno i od njega trazio da mu potpishe tu istu plochu.
To za tu Lenonovu ulicu u NS stvarno nije fer da opet bude Blagoja Parovica pa mogli su barem da se nadju negde na pola pa da bude Dzeka Londona.


ziv je

u zatvoru


The scene outside New York's spooky Dakota

The scene outside New York's spooky old Dakota apartment building on the evening of December 8, 1980, was as surreal as it was horrifying. John Lennon, probably the world's most famous rock star, lay semiconscious, hemorrhaging from four flat-tipped bullets blasted into his back. His wife Yoko Ono held his head in her arms and screamed (just like on her early albums).

A few yards away a pudgy young man stood eerily still, peering down into a paperback book. Moments earlier he had dropped into a military firing stance - legs spread for maximum balance, two hands gripping his .38 revolver to steady his aim - and blown away the very best Beatle. Now he leafed lazily through the pages of the one novel even the most chronically stoned and voided-out ninth grader will actually read, J. D. Salinger's Catcher in the Rye.

The Dakota doorman shouted at the shooter, Mark David Chapman, "Do you know what you've done?"

"I just shot John Lennon," Chapman replied, accurately enough.

It was a tragedy of Kerkegaardian pointlessness. There was only one apparent way to squeeze any sense from it; write it off as random violence by a "wacko."

"He walked past me and then I heard in my head, 'Do it, do it, do it,' over and over again, saying 'Do it, do it, do it,' like that," Chapman, preternaturally serene, recalled in a BBC documentary several years after going to prison. "I don't remember aiming. I must have done, but I don't remember drawing a bead or whatever you call it. And I just pulled the trigger steady five times."

Chapman described his feeling at the time of the shooting as "no emotion, no anger dead silence in the brain."

His unnatural tone sounded all-too-familiar. British lawyer/journalist Fenton Bresler took it as a tip-off. Chapman was a brainwashed hit man carrying out someone else's contract.

"Mark David Chapman," writes Bresler, "is in many ways as much the victim of those who wanted to kill John Lennon as Lennon himself."

Prosecutors, as a loss for motive, opted for the cliché: Chapman did it for the attention- the troublesome American preoccupation with grabbing that elusive fifteen minutes of propels many a daily-newspaper-journalist-cum-pop-sociologist into raptures of sanctimony. But Arthur O'Connor, the detective who spent more time with Chapman immediately following the murder than anyone else, saw it another way.

"It is definitely illogical to say that Mark Committed the murder to make himself famous. He did not want to talk to the press from the very start. It's possible Mark could have been used by somebody. I saw him the night of the murder. I studied him intensely. He looked as if he could have been programmed."

O'Connor was speaking to Bresler, and publicly for the first time. Bresler's book Who Killed John Lennon? Offers the most cogent argument that Lennon's murder was not the work of yet another "lone nut."

Conspiracy theories abounded after the Lennon assassination, many rather cruelly fingering Yoko as the mastermind. Another focused on Paul who, by this line of reasoning, blamed Yoko for engineering his arrest in Japan on reefer charges. The Lennon conspiracy turns up on radio talk shows with some frequency, where hosts fend off callers with the "Why bother to kill that guy?" defense.

Only Bresler's thesis, that Chapman was a mind-controlled assassin manipulated by some right-wing element possibly connected to the newly elected (and not even inaugurated) Reagan apparatus of reaction, transcends the confines of pure speculation, extending into the realm of actual investigation.

Even so, Bresler's book a little too often substitutes rhetorical questions ("What does that steady repetition of a voice saying 'Do it, do it, do it,' over and over again in Mark's head sound like to you?") for evidentiary argument. We can forgive him for that failing. Bresler tracked the case for eight years, conducted unprecedented interviews, and extracted a ream of previously unreleased government documents. But unlike researchers into the assassinations of the Kennedys and Martin Luther King, he did not have volumes of evidence gathered by any official investigation, even a flawed one, to fall back on. The New York police had their man, the case was closed the very night of the murder - and, anyway, what political reason could possibly exist for gunning down the composer of "I Am the Walrus"?

In building his case, Bresler established some key points that put the lie to any "Who would want to kill an aging rock star?" brush-off.

Richard Nixon, his administration and other right-wing politicians (including ultraconservative ancient Senator Strom Thurmond, who personally memoed Attorney Gerneral John Mitcell on the matter) were fixated on what they saw as the Lennon problem. To them, the politically outspoken singer-songwriter was an insidious subversive of the worst kind, the famous and beloved kind.

J. Edgar Hoover shared their concerns. One page of Lennon's FBI file bears the handwritten, block-lettered, under lined words, ALL EXTREMISTS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED DANGEROUS. The government went all-out to deny Lennon his longed-for permanent U.S. residency, and more than that, to deport him altogether (that was the subject of Thurmond's memo).

Lennon's FBI file - at nearly three hundred pages as chubby as Hoover himself - reveals that he was under "constant surveillance." Nor did the G-men keep a particularly low profile around the ex-Beatle, apparently attempting to harass him into silence or at least drive him nuts, similar to the tactic they had used on Martin Luther King, Jr., a few short but eventful years earlier.

In late 1972, when the "surveillance" was at its peak, Lennon told humorist Paul Krassner, "Listen, if anything happens to Yoko and me, it was not an accident."

The FBI and the CIA tracked Lennon at least from his "Free John Sinclair" concert in 1969 until 1976 - even though by then Lennon had won his immigration battle and dropped out of not only political activism but public life altogether into what turned out to be a five-year period of seclusion. His apartment was watched, he was followed, his phone was tapped.

Placing a person under "constant surveillance" and ordering that person executed are admittedly two different things. Nevertheless, Bresler's point is that the government did not consider John Lennon a harmless rock 'n' roller whose awkward entrance into the world of political activism often carried a high cringe factor (as in his Montreal "bed-in").

He was viewed as a dangerous radical who needed to be stopped.

And in a way that official paranoia might have been justified, because as embarrassing as Lennon and Ono's political publicity stunts occasionally became, John Lennon was always capable of seizing the spotlight and speaking directly to millions of young people who venerated him.

With unfettered access to the media, his power was immense, at least potentially so, and recognized by more experienced radicals like Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman, who linked themselves to Lennon, clinging to close that they made the rock star uncomfortable.

Lennon was killed just four years after the intense FBI/CIA surveillance ceased. In those intermittent years, Jimmy Carter was president - a Democrat who kept the two gestapo-ish agencies more or less in check.

But in December 1980, when John Lennon's first album in half a decade was high on the charts, Carter was a lame duck chief executive, having lost his reelection bid to Ronald Reagan. Reagan's campaign was managed by career secret agent William Casey, who under President Reagan became the CIA's most freewheeling chief since Allen Dulles. The new far-right administration would reassemble the intelligence services and grant them a cheerful carte blanche.

The forces that tried desperately to neutralize Lennon for at least seven years lost power in 1976. Lennon's government dossier ends in that year. In 1980, as those forces were preparing to retake control of the government, "dangerous extremist" John Lennon emerged from retirement. Within a few months he was murdered.

The paper trail that might support the conspiracy theory is a little thin, however. It doesn't extend much beyond the airline ticket found in Chapman's hotel room; a Hawaii-New York connection departing December 5. But Chapman had actually purchased a Hawaii-Chicago ticket to depart December 2, with no connecting flight. The ticket found after his arrest had apparently been altered. None of his friends knew that he traveled on to New York. They thought he went to Chicago for a three-day stay.

Bresler concludes that the Lennon assassination, which, as Chapman himself noted in a rare interview, "ended an era," bears similarities to another assassination that took place twelve years earlier: the murder of Robert F. Kennedy.

RFK's apparent lone killer, Sirhan Sirhan, and Chapman (coincidentally?) shared a defense psychiatrist. But while Dr. Bernard Diamond couldn't skirt the obvious fact that Sirhan was under hypnosis (Diamond wrote it off as self-hypnosis), he labeled Chapman a "paranoid schizophrenic."

The court disagreed. Chapman even now has never had more than routine psychiatric care since entering his guilty plea. He was not sent to a mental hospital, but to Attica State Prison. He was judged legally "rational."

Bresler clears up a few widely disseminated misconceptions about Mark David Chapman:

While any mention of his name is now accompanied by the phrase "deranged fan," Chapman was anything but. He was no more or less ardent a Beatles/Lennon fan than anyone of his generation. His real rock hero was Todd Rundgren, a cynical studio craftsman who could not be further from Lennon in artistic sensibility. Notwithstanding Chapman's announcement months after the murder that he "killed Lennon to gain prominence to promote the reading of The Catcher in the Rye," Chapman never exhibited strong feelings about the novel until shortly before the shooting. (Catcher, Bresler muses, may have been used as a device to trigger Chapman's "programming.")

After the murder, major media ran bizarre stories of Chapman's supposed growing identification with John Lennon - at one point he even "re-baptized" himself as Lennon, according to Newsweek. These stories were all quite fascinating, but there was no evidence to back any of them up. (It is true that when Chapman quit his last job he signed out as "John Lennon," then crossed the name out, but Bresler interprets this, reasonably, as Chapman saying, "John Lennon, I am going to kill you," rather than "John Lennon, I am you."

Chapman was not a "longer." He was for most of his life a normally social individual and a camp counselor who had a special rapport with kids.

Bresler also notes that when Chapman signed up for a YMCA overseas program, he selected an odd destination: Beirut - a perfect place, says Bresler, for Chapman, a once gentle soul, to be "blooded," that is, desensitized to violence.

A final note to the mystery of Mark David Chapman: As he was ready to go to trial and his diligent public defender was winding up six months spent assembling Chapman's defense, the accused killer suddenly decided to change his plea to guilty. His lawyer was perplexed and more than a little perturbed. But Chapman was determined. He said he was acting on instructions from a "small male voice" that spoke to him in his cell.

Chapman interpreted it as the voice of God.


Chapman

Kakav smrad. Svojevremeno sam chitala o teoriji po kojoj je Chapman bio agent-ubica neke od americhkih tajnih vladinih agencija i da je bio na specijalnim psiholoshkim trenizima za ubice (uslovljavanje psihogenim supstancama i sl.). Chin ubistva trigeruje se kad mu neko kaze, shapne, ili telofonom dojavi shifru koja mu je ugradjena treninzima - recimo "cvece je zuto"; i on deluje. O toj teoriji davno je pisano, ali je pre neku godinu snimljen onaj film sa Mel Gibsonom i Dzulijom Roberts (zaboravilka sam i naziva) na tu temu.


Film

Film se zvao :"Terija zavere".Obratiti pažnju na knjigu koju su posedovali i Sirhan Sirhan i M.D.Chapman. Ona se spominje u pomenutom filmu.


Eto

Eto


ajde Srdjane pokreni se

Napisi nam nesto o chemu si zaista merodavan da se izjasnish. Interesuje me
da chujem o tom "novom" otkrivenom jevandjelju po Judi.
O chemu se zapravo radi iz tvog ugla. Cenim da si procitao. Sta ce se to bitno promeniti u katolickom i pravoslavnom prilazu?
Kakve su reakcije crkava i ko je skrivao to jevandjelje ako i zasto? Tj gde je pronadjeno.


yo, cert!

John Lennon, live in New York city:
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možda će neko primetiti da je Jokoina deonica kudikamo slabija nego Džonova, al' Bože moj... ;)
gledao sam nedavno emisiju u kojoj su pričali kako je Joko smuvala Džona. dolazila mu je danima pred kuću u kojoj je Džon spokojno živeo sa svojom prethodnom suprugom. uvek bi stala na isto mesto, rano izjutra, uvek besprekorno odevena u crninu. Džon je na početku mislio da se radi samo o još jednom fanu-friku, i nije ovom fenomenu pridavao mnogo pažnje. Joko je, međutim, svoje boravke pred Džonovom kućom pretvorila u svakodnevne, prostrte na nedelje i mesece. jedne večeri ju je pustio u svoje odaje. dugo su razgovarali i na kraju imali seks. sledećeg jutra Džon je pozvao svog batlera i kazao mu da želi da mu ovaj pronađe stan u koji će se preseliti da živi sa Joko. batler, inače sasvim privržen porodici Lenon, nije mogao da veruje svojim očima i čulima, i preklinjao je Džona da zastane i promisli dobro pre nego što preduzme tako radikalan korak. Džon nije želeo ni da čuje. otišli su istog tog jutra... nikada nećemo saznati da li je bilo nešto od predskazanja u tim Jokoinim bdenjima pod prozorom porodice Lenon.